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Additions to Motorhome pages:-
1.Fitting New Automatic Water System Pump
2.Winterising the water pump.
3.Water Tank Level Meter-modification to electronic circuit

4.Basin Mixer Taps - tip & how to repair a dripping tap.
5.Extending Fresh Water Drain Tap to Outside

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Our MH has now been sold so this web site will not be updated again

[click above for pictures]

Due to my age, 80 years old, and health reasons we are forced to give up the pleasures of a motorhome,  and has now been sold.

Description of the motorhome can be seen through out the pages of my web site here.

The MH has MOT until MAR 2017 and its mileage is 109224

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Contents:

1.  Gas Lines in the Wanderer. 2. Coupling Gas Cylinders 3.'GASLOW' Regulators 4. Gas Cylinder Safety. 5. General Safety.


Gas Lines Location

Gas Lines in the Autohomes Wanderer

Above is shown where the gas lines are located in the Autohomes Wanderer. While appearing to be internal, the gas pipes are taken out through holes in the base plate then run to the appliances. Where they are then taken up through another hole inside the Motorhome. At each appliance there is a gas control tap with an air vent located under the tap to ensure any leakages of gas sinks through floor vents.
It is recommended that these gas lines are checked periodically, due to exposure under the chassis.  Things to check would be corrosion and movement wear under the base plate. This movement wear can be seen as a shining edge on the pipe.


GAS BOTTLES

Coupling Bottles Together.

How to Link two Gas bottles

This year the plan is to travel to Norway and to the Arctic Circle. This has now presented another problem. Butane will not deliver gas to then pipes when temperature drops to zero. So another option must be considered, Propane, this gas will supply to the pipes when the temperature drops below freezing.

Why use Propane:

Advantages - it is the only gas that will continue to operate below freezing point, as low as minus 10 degrees. All propane gas cylinders have the same connections.

Disadvantages - They cannot be refilled or exchanged in the mainland Europe.

Why use Butane:

Advantages - Campingaz which uses Butane Gas can be exchanged in Mainland Europe.

Disadvantages - Butane will not operate below freezing point and is therefore not suitable for winter use.

The System I intend to use. With full Bottles.

Cylinder Switch

The Gas Cylinder Switch.

The Gaslow Cylinder switch can be supplied by 'Gaslow' under catalogue number: 01-5050

Important Note: If you are using the black hose then it is possible this will not be recommended for Propane as it is not resistant to chemicals in the gas content of Propane.


'GASLOW' Regulators

It was while I was researching options, not able to monitor the gas capacity for example, that I came across 'GASLOW' who supply gas valves to the Caravan and Boating Markets.  

They have kindly given me permission to use some of their illustrations which show options available. The prime option for me was the meter monitoring gauge. This meter option indicates the gas levels and will also produce a test function to check for gas leaks in the Motorhome system.

While I have chosen images which I have incorporated in my Motorhome, this is not all that 'Gaslow' can supply from their catalogue.

One option that interested me, was the gas level monitoring indicator which could be installed inside the living area. Probably on the voltage control panel. A future project perhaps?

Gaslow can be contacted at:

Gaslow International Ltd.
Manor House Stables,
Normanton-on-Soar,
Leicestershire. LE12 5HB

Tel: +44 [0] 1509 843331
Fax: +44 [0] 1509 843332
Email: info@gaslow.co.uk
Web site: www.gaslow.co.uk

 

 

The Ultimate Range of Gas systems with unique gauges for the new Caravan and Motorhome.

 

 

The new 2004 range simply screws onto the inlet of the pre-fitted regulator and gives all the additional 'Gaslow' benefits from the simple low-level warning to leak detection and remote indication.

 

 

Why is it that your gas always seems to run out at the worst time? - it's either in the middle of  cooking or late at night

....THAT'S ANNOYING

Even worse, you think you can smell gas but have no quick and reliable way of making sure every thing is safe

....THAT'S WORRYING.

Remove the uncertainty

...Fit a 'GASLOW'

 

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An example of 'Gaslow' valves fitted to Gas Bottles.

When fitting the nuts always screw ANTICLOCKWISE.

 

Campingas Adaptor for the 'Gaslow' Valve

'Campingaz' Adaptor for the 'Gaslow' Valve

By fitting the adaptor, a Campingaz bottle can be fitted to the Regulators, seen above. This also makes it possible to revert to British style gas bottles without any other modification.

 

'Gaslow' Propane and Butane valves.

'Gaslow' Propane and Butane Regulator valves. With Low Level Indicators.

The range of Gaslow regulators combine the benefits of the 'Gaslow' gauge built into an LP gas regulator in a compact unit.

The 'Gaslow' Screw-on Propane regulator can be used on all Propane gas cylinders. The Butane Screw-on regulator is suitable for most gas bottles in the U.K.


Low Level Indicators

The 'Gaslow' gauge gives visual warning of low gas levels when the gas is being consumed by appliances, and can also be used to check for leaks in the system.

Operating as a LOW level indicator:

1. Turn on the gas at the cylinder valve and light an gas appliance.

2. The GASLOW gives you warning of low gas levels ONLY when gas is being CONSUMED.

ALWAYS ENSURE YOU ARE BURNING GAS WHEN READING THE GASLOW INDICATOR.

3. The GASLOW requires an adjustment time of 5 to 15 minutes depending on your level of consumption to give the most accurate reading.

4. For best results, we reccomend a high consumption of an appliance such as a cooker or heater. NOT A FRIDGE OR PILOT BURNER as they consume very little gas and will give inaccurate readings and insufficient warning of gas exhaustion.

5. On a low consumption appliance the guage will indicate a longer life of the cylinder. If a higher consumption appliance is used, then the guage would adjust itself to show a shorter cylinder life.

 

IMPORTANT: The 'Gaslow' gauge allows for ambient temperatures with sectors on the dial face, marked 'Hot day'. 'Cool day, and 'Cold day' Read the needle on the outer band when it's COLD and the inner band when it's HOT

Green Indicated, no worries CLICK FOR LARGER IMAGE

Green Indicated, no worries

 

Yellow in gauge, early warning to check cylinder.                           CLICK FOR LARGER IMAGE

Yellow Indicated, early warning, check cylinder.

Red, cylinder low or requires changing.                                        CLICK FOR LARGER IMAGE

Red Indicated, cylinder low or requires changing.

'Gaslow' Leak Detector.

Leak detecting is quick and easy, as follows:

1. Ensure all appliances are off.

2. Turn ON the gas at cylinder valve. The gauge will show GREEN.

3. Turn on an appliance, for example a cooker ring, for a short period. Then it off.

4. Turn OFF  the gas cylinder valve.

5. Watch the gauge, if the RED sector appears in the window within 5 minutes, there is a leak.

6. Should you see RED, check the system and locate the gas leak.

Testing for leaks should start at the gas cylinder then forwards to the appliances.

The GASLOW gauge will eventually show a red indicator, this is normal after the cylinder is turned off.

My gauge will hold in the green section for over 12 hours!


Gas Cylinder Safety

We have all seen it before; 'Gas appliances should only be worked on by Corgi registered Technicians!'

The Electric industry used to say the same thing. Taking the view that the majority of DIY's are too stupid to carry out any electrical work.

When I was a young man the instructions, when doing DIY work on electrical equipment, It was dangerous, DON'T.

This was not satisfactory. People needed to carry out simple maintenance on electrical appliances, if just to change a plug. The electrical industry has got their 'Act' together and you can see the results every day. The completely sealed electric plug on appliances, the insulated sleeves on the Live and Neutral pins of the plug, this is to ensure if you fingers go around the face of the plug you didn't grab the pins, and the fitting of instructions with every individual plug. Also the RCD trip safety devices which cut off if they detect a 30mA current.

We see the same lame excuses in the Gas industry and I don't think it is good enough. Murphy's Law states; 'If there is a way how not to do a job, then that way will be used'

On a camp site in Spain a guy approached me and asked if I knew about gas leaks! I went to have a look at his installation and found he had lost the sealing washer which is part of the Campingaz Regulator base. This should not have happend. Was it the fault of the Motorhome user or the manufacturer? I believe it was manufacturer who had not taken the trouble to produce a valve rubber seal which would not come off. There are many instances in the gas industry.

As I see it the gas industry depends on any work being done by a skilled man to ensure their own poor manufacturing methods are supported.

What can the DIY man do to ensure his system is not at risk?

The Motorhome owner's first contact with gas is to change the cylinder for an exchange cylinder. Or possibly replace a faulty regulator to a gas pipe.

The gas cylinder will go through many stringent checks while in the factory while being prepared for refilling, and the Motorhome owner will have no worries in that respect.

It is because of these stringent service checks that the industry frowns on the refillable cylinders. Will they ever be checked and serviced in their lifetime, as they do at the factory?

I have illustrated below some things the Motorhome owner can do:

Check the gas pipes to valves and permanent pipes. Check for cracks and obvious poor condition. Are they dated, if so then anything over 3 years old could be suspect and will require changing. It's possible a replacement pipe has never been used, but it is not recommended for use if the age has been exceeded, as the rubber properties could have changed over the time.

When checking pipes connected to the regulators, are the Jubilee clips biting into the pipe covers and exposing the black inner core. I recommend them to be changed.

Fitting pipes to the valves is quite a chore. The bore is very tight, for obvious reasons. To fit the rubber pipes over the valve regulator pipe, the most convenient way is to place the end into boiling water for 30 Seconds, the pipe will slip on without any trouble.

Illustrated is the gas pipe bore.

Illustrated is the gas pipe bore.

Gas pipe showing date marking  CLICK FOR LARGER IMAGE

Gas pipe showing date marking

 

Gas pipe ready for connection. Jubilee clip to be added.

Gas valve ready for connection. Jubilee clip to be added.

Unscrew the regulator and check the rubber washers. If it looks like the picture then get a new one immediately. What's wrong with it? It has ridged rings around it's circumferance. At the centre aperture it has cracks. It is at these points that the gas will leak out.

Gas Cylinder Seal with Ridges

Gas Cylinder Seal with Ridges on the face.

Gas Cylinder Seal with Ridge and splits.

Gas Cylinder Seal with Ridge and splits.

When attaching the Regulators to the cylinder ensure the seals, as seen below in black, are secure and not damaged. 
Check the screw thread, as these have an anti-clockwise tightening action some people try to force them on and damage the thread.

The Campingaz valve could be confusing as it has a Clockwise tightening action. again ensure the threads are not damaged.

Having checked and possibly fitted new parts. Go over every joint you have handled and spread over them some soapy water. Any leaks will be seen as bubbles.

Do I need to say it; Do not use a naked flame to find a leak!

Having done that carry out the 'Gaslow' leak check. I am assuming you have fitted the 'Gaslow' gauges.

Gaslow Valve Regulator Gas Seal enclosed inside the securing Nut

Gaslow Valve Regulator, Gas Seal enclosed inside the securing Nut

Gaslow Valve Seal enclosed inside the securing Screw of the Campingaz valve

Campingaz valve adaptor from Gaslow. Valve Seal on face of securing head.


General Safety and operating Conditions

The Gaslow regulator is designed to supply gas to appliances at a pressure and capacity as indicated on the identification label

Storage areas must be well ventilated. Ensure the gas escape aperture below all appliances are clear.

Use no naked flames, cigarettes, matches, etc., also do not light in the vicinity, when connecting, disconnecting or when operating the gas supply.

The gas cylinder must always be used in an upright position.

When used outdoors the GASLOW must be suitably protected from the elements.


From: aplested[at]hotmail.com

Date: 19 Jan 2002

Comments

We go skiing in Austria every year and usually run out of gas. The local propane has a different regulator. Will that fit my gas tubing? Can I buy the regulator in UK? My wife will leave me if we have to sleep in minus 20 degrees again this year. Surely someone out there has been thru this before!!!! Is Austria different to the rest of Europe .... apart from an ex Nazi as president!

Re: SAVING MY MARRIAGE FROM A FROSTY ENDING..HELP!!!!!!!!

From: Brian W.

Date: 21 Jan 2002

Comments

Hi Applested, Have a look in my web site there you will see how I have connected up two cylinders. When you get to Austria, call in to any place selling cylinders, and purchase a regulator with a cylinder and connect up. Incidentally propane is recommended at freezing conditions. Butane will not "Boil Off" when frozen. Best Regards, Brian


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